I think you posted on an incorrect forum.
This thread was a question about classification rules of what constitutes a photo to be a Child Sexual Exploitation Material and morality of making photos of naked children for artistic purposes. A question quite serious considering a lot of people take photos of their own naked babies and kids for family albums and for social media sites.
Nowhere in this thread is there any proposition of using such materials for masturbation, it’s a disingenuous proposition coming from you that uncovers your bias, which considering you already read 169 posts, according to your profile statistics, is unreasonable. You should already lose any initial misconception of this site potentially being dedicated for promotion of sexual abuse of minors simply because it has a more original approach to the topic.
The Sebastian_Sabra_Thom mention of different social norms of the past was put in the context of him stating, that in his opinion, the main rule for defining whenever a photo should be constituted a CSEM, is provable harm. His spitballing of different points of view of such old photos in different periods of time was made in an effort to answer the question of whenever the societal view could classify as such harm, and his conclusion was, that in modern days, due to societal views of nudity of children, such child whose photo was made of, would be harmed, while in the past it wouldn’t, assuming the nudity of children alone really didn’t make people panic and be outraged, and was treated as something inherently nonsexual (unlike in modern times, where it seems that most self-proclaimed “anti-pedophiles who for sure aren’t attracted to kids” just can’t help themselves, to not see everything as the “arousing depiction of children”).
His conclusion, albeit not decisive, was that in modern times he would classify it as CSEM, while in the time of the past, he wouldn’t. This was his answer, that in his opinion, societal views on such photos do participate in potential of harming the individuals contained on such photos, and should be taken under consideration as a criterion for whenever something classify as CSEM.
Nowhere in his response the was anything, that could even remotely be read as him supposedly creating apologetics for such acts. His entire post was dedicated to answering the question of classification. Not an effort to justify any action.
I’m genuinely surprised how easily you misconstructed the entire post to suit a strawman you created and saw no issues posting it without even second-guessing.
Also, some nitpicking on my side:
These two lines exclude each other, there was no consciousness whatsoever before the big bang. I don’t think you put any effort in actually understanding what morality is, and instead, you use it as a universal free pass to push any agenda and justify any action of yours, no matter how much harm it will cause to innocent people.
Yes, it’s always wrong to exploit children in any way, sexually, physically, even emotionally. It’s always wrong to abuse children in any way. Same rules apply to adults, and to animals. It seems to me that the only reason why you felt the need to state that on a forum that has the same opinion and displayed it on multiple times in many posts, of many which you should already seen is because you are uncertain in your own belief, that this moral codex is really correct, and you seek social validation of it being the case.
So here you have. I gave you the confirmation you needed. You are right that abuse is evil. The floor is made out of the floor and the water is wet. You can be proud of yourself, that you do recognize the very basic rules of morality, everyone on this forum, and the grand majority of people of this planet, do recognize as well. So congratulations at discovering what everyone already knows. It must have been hard for you to came this long way. So I’m proud of you.
