Like many, you’ll find that saying “please” doesn’t work on me. At all.
The hypothesis that it causes real offenses is effectively nullified by the fact that an inverse correlation exists between the availability of the material and sex crimes against children.
Here’s some research.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1079063220965953
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It’s the same deal with violent video games, people claim that they cause violence but research has shown time and time again that it’s unrelated and is usually left up to the mental status of the people in question.
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Do you really want to encourage the Pandora’s Box to, “If I find it disgusting, it should be a legal grey area.” Because grey laws are ripe for abuse in every sense of the word. I find stuff disgusting too, I just don’t watch it, instead of trying to keep it in a legally grey area where anything can happen and people (both law enforcers and civilians) aren’t sure if what they’re doing is a crime or not.
Most of fiction (I’d even argue, all of fiction) has no business existing with this logic. Sometimes people just want to enjoy fantasy, it doesn’t have to have any impact on the real world to need a reason to exist.
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I’ve been doing research on this topic following a number of questions friends have asked me, but i’m having an issue finding the state obscenity laws for NJ, can someone help me find them?
Are these what you’re looking for?
That’s all I can find except for ads for various NJ attorneys who specialize in defending obscenity cases.
Yeah from what i’m reading is that obscenity charges in the NJ are based around exposing the material to minors in some way or form. My friend is a huge anime guy that goes on a lot of manga sites to read the plot for new seasons early, and he got scared because he sometimes sees loli stuff that other people post and was worried if he broke the law. Just trying to see if i could find something to help ease his mind.
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Your friend should be fine, so long as he treats it like any other kind of pornography.
Lolicon, like all pornography that doesn’t involve an actual minor, is legal unless it’s “obscene”.
There are plenty of websites and publishers in the United States that regularly do business with lolicon/shotacon pornography, like 4chan, Fakku, Valve, JastUSA, MangaGamer, and other hentai and anime-centric publishers and distributors. Even Amazon still sells quite a bit of loli or shota content, despite de-listing anime figurines.
I’m sorry i don’t understand what do you mean by treats it like any other kind of pornography?
Scroll up, it’s talked about a couple of times just need to find it.
My apologies I was just confused by the wording.
I appreciate the response, the whole obscenity thing is just confusing but as far as these links tell me the NJ obscenity laws really only deal with the exposure and distribution to minors under the age of 18. Like you said there are tons of websites that deal with this type of content that are completely fine to be on, but the confusing part is that under the obscenity definition every type of porn would be considered illegal but yet pornhub is still allowed to operate as normal and is one of the most view websites in the US in general.
What you pretty much said sums it up. There are plenty of states that accommodate simulated child pornography and other kinds just like any other type of material. Obscenity laws, even if they’re federal, only matter in communities where such material would be found ‘obscene’ in the first place. It’s a big grey area that honestly has no right to exist.
If you’re interested in the history of obscenity law, check out this article I found. Many people argue that the doctrine is ‘here to stay’, but it’s simply not possible for such a blatant and unjustified and problematic exception to our rights to exist, regardless of how offensive or outrageous the content is. All should be protected from intrusion based on offensiveness, rather than harm.
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Thank you, i appreciate it. There are so many manga sites that host loli and shota content and my pal just got scared thinking he was on a blacklist or something.
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Look. Let’s be honest. I function every day assuming that I am on some government’s private list. However, in the US, unless you’ve been convicted of a tangible crime, you cannot legally be allowed on any public list.
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Yeah i understand, it’s just confusing trying to figure out the legality of the loli situation because there’s so much of it on public accessible websites and these sites have been around for years but then you hear of it potential being considered illegal and start to wonder why these sites are still the first things to show up on google if it’s truly as bad as they say. I play so many video games with violence in them and people insist that they cause the violence they portray, but fun fact i can play games like GTA and Doom for hours but once i see real blood i go limp. That’s why i think these kinds of accusations are stupid because if i can tell the difference between fake and real blood, how is it so hard to tell a 2D image from a real one.
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Town Drops Obscenity Case Against New Jersey Homeowner for ‘Fuck Biden’ Signs – Reason.com
The small minded judge didn’t like the signs and slapped an obscenity charge on them. The judge pulled out the time-tested censor talking point: “Freedom of speech is not simply an absolute right. It is clear from state law and statutes that we cannot simply put up the umbrella of the First Amendment and say everything and anything is protected speech.”
Of course, the signs didn’t meet any of the specific clauses in New Jersey’s obscenity law and certainly were protected political speech, the whole purpose of Freedom of Speech.
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Hi i’m new here trying to gather information on this topic that i can’t seem to find online. Upon reading through this thread i’ve seen a lot of info i didn’t already know but I have a few other questions I would like to ask. First i’ve around anime for about 6 years now and have seen a number of fan arts on fan sites and and never understood what “loli” was until about 6 months ago when a friend told me about it, so I’m not sure what is classified as one and what is one since there are lots of anime characters that are drawn flat. Second I see a lot of people on apps like discord and instagram post images of NSFW content that could be considered that (if my previous question is accurate) so I am in trouble now that i’ve seen these things? And lastly as AnimeOtakuFTW is I am also from NJ so I’m wondering if it’s considered to be illegal here and if someone can help get me find the info i need?
Basically any character that is short and flat chested.
No don’t worry about it. Worst that could happen is you get charged with obscenity, but you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than that happening.
I’m not aware of any NJ specific laws, but federally loli is legal unless obscene. How do you know if it’s obscene? You don’t, that’s the fun part.
I was referring to New Jersey’s obscenity laws I’m afraid I don’t understand the legal terminology too well and was hoping Someone could explain it to me. Like I understand what obscenity law is but not sure if I’m breaking it by simply looking at apps and internet posts.