It's morally wrong for pedofiles to use child avatars

The reality is that in the 3D industry, artists very often use references for their work, and sometimes, those 3D models are closely referenced to the point their work ends up looking like the reference. The child in the reference material as well as the 3D artist does not want pedofiles using their work as an avatar.

I have to send this comment to every one I come across who is using a child avatar. they usually get mad and block me but it needs to be said to pedofiles using child avatars. what u are doing is wrong and harmful.

If you are “harmed” by fiction, then you are the one too weak for this world.

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u should not use fictional avatars that were made with references of real children. And most avatars do use references. so safe to assume avatars you see that are child like use real children as reference. its not hard. by doing so u r violating child pornography law dost test if u are doing so as a pedofile. im giving you legal advice to protect yourself. even though i hate you, i can still help u by giving u good legal advice.

if the avatar looks similar to the child that was used as reference, and u as a pedofile use that avatar, you are in violation of local, state, federal and international child pornography law. obey the law or else

No fictional portrayals, whether drawn or rendered, are not the same as photographs. We don’t need your paladin’s pity. If you think that we are criminals, then GTFO and try to report us. I’m sure that others have tried. All have failed.

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Now, come the insults. Well, at least, I can report you now. I spit on your “compassion”.

I’m guessing Q’s back now that their terrorist attack on Capitol Hill failed?

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I don’t think you are in any way qualified or knowledgeable enough to be giving legal advice. CSEM is CSEM due to the circumstances of it’s creation, not because a paedophiles uses it, either these avatars are CSEM for everyone or no one.

The use of a reference does not make artwork a depiction of a real child.

Seems that way, been a couple of them recently, possibly the same ones but definitely from the same group.

Guess they need something to do until Trump raids the white house and arrests all the evil baby eating paedophiles, or the next terrorist attack.

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It was not a terrorist attack. The election was STOLEN from us. Why is it surprise that some of us would try to correct that by any means necessary? Yes sometimes it takes the use of force to correct mistakes. I didn’t go down to DC because got jobs and stuff.

I don’t think you are in any way qualified or knowledgeable enough to be giving legal advice. CSEM is CSEM due to the circumstances of it’s creation, not because a paedophiles uses it, either these avatars are CSEM for everyone or no one.

The use of a reference does not make artwork a depiction of a real child.

in my district someone just got a 2 year conditional suspended sentence on probation because he downloaded a large amounts nude images of children from naturalist sites. prosecutor was able to prove that he was a pedofile! THIS IS HOW THE LAW WORKS. Misuse of innocuous images of children can be an offense.

I AM FUCKING QUALIFIED

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Sure thing, and the earth is flat and the moon landing was faked.

You’re qualified because you heard about a case? I’d rather listen to someone with, you know, qualifications.

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Really? Ashli Babbitt’s corpse begs to differ.

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So… photos? Yeah, not disproving my point, at least.

While I understand your point here, you’re wrong.

Referencing images of actual children directly for pornographic purposes IS illegal as it can be seen as a reproduction of the likeness of a real minor, in much the same way that deep-faking a child’s face onto a Japanese petite adult or a 3D model would be too. The likeness of an actual child is as important.

However, by assuming that 3D artists reference images of real children in all of their works, such as the case with The Sims 4, is simply factually incorrect.
The Sims utilizes a system wherein character assets are created and loaded from using a “slider” system which modifies facial and bodily features on a set of prefabricated models with very little constraint. These models were designed in-house by Maxis using CARTOON CHARACTERS and MANNEQUINS as reference images, rather than real child faces because they found that referencing real images would create a level of uncanny valley the developers felt the game did not need.

Most other game studios utilize similar workflows when designing 3D character models for their games, as doing so saves time and enables low-level designers to create content much faster and the skilled professionals don’t need to reference real people when creating their games.

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I’m not entirely sure what is your point :confused: Are you saying that a person can only use an avatar if the author gives them that permission? If so, 99,99% of people who uses an avatar is wrong in your opinion. Or, are you saying that this is valid ONLY for loli images, because…? Hmmmmm… Ok, I tried to imagine a good reason for that, but I just can’t come up with anything good ^^", So, if that’s what you think, you’ll have to tell me. Like, why that would only applied to lolicon? But anyway, let’s suppose that’s true, and in this case… Well, are you aware that many of those authors are lolicons themselves, right? Or you are that naive? ^^"…
But whatever… let’s put this way, if I’m told that the author of any image I’m using as avatar, don’t authorize me to do it, then I promise you that I’ll change to another image. So, do we have a deal?
Also, that allegation of yours that avatars or even lolis are made with references of real people… Well, I simply don’t know where you came with that. Like, I won’t even ask for proper proof here, So, do you have even just a simple evidence of that? Anyway. As an artist myself I can say that is simply not true.

That in fact remember me of an interesting fact. Like, people thinking that lolicons use those drawings as some kind of “substitute” for real children. And if you are one who thinks like that, let me clarify some things for you. Dude, is not that hard to make a realistic drawing, so. IF lolicons were trying to create a substitute of a real children, why who we drawn them so different from the real thing? :confused: It would be more logical to try to be as realist as possible, don’t you agree? Anyway, people seem to not understand that we draw Lolis different from real girls, because we DON’T WANT THEY TO LOOK LIKE REAL GIRLS!

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The use of a reference does not make artwork a depiction of a real child.

i believe making ur pornographic depiction look like the child in the image u are looking at is a depiction of real child. i will site a good source if you are too fucking stupid to understand law which appears to be the case. use of real child image as reference can be illegal you fags. read the law. im giving u good legal advice even though i hate you.

( C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

(9)“identifiable minor”—

(A)means a person—

(i)

(I)

who was a minor at the time the visual depiction was created, adapted, or modified; or

(II)

whose image as a minor was used in creating, adapting, or modifying the visual depiction; and

(ii)

who is recognizable as an actual person by the person’s face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic, such as a unique birthmark or other recognizable feature; and

(B)

shall not be construed to require proof of the actual identity of the identifiable minor.

The Sims utilizes a system wherein character assets are created and loaded from using a “slider” system which modifies facial and bodily features on a set of prefabricated models with very little constraint. These models were designed in-house by Maxis using CARTOON CHARACTERS and MANNEQUINS as reference images, rather than real child faces because they found that referencing real images would create a level of uncanny valley the developers felt the game did not need.

not the case in every game. in some games they sell prepackaged avatars not sliders. i do not want to see grown adults using child avatars at all. maybe they did not base it on a real child, maybe its more likely than no it was not based on any real child, but YOU dont know that to be a fact. even if it were not based on a real child. using a child like avatar for sexual gratification is just wrong. there is something intrinsically wrong about it. its difficult to put it into words but it makes sense. common sense is a thing. not everything has a reason.

I disagree with your entire premise of “you don’t know if it’s a real minor”. Most artists in these industries are skilled enough to where the don’t need real facial references, and even then, its mostly about the identity of the child being abused or sexualized, not the general idea of children, which, unlike the former, is free speech.

I believe most studios credit the reference material they use, like if the likeness of Iggy Pop, a former punk rock musician, is referenced to create a video game character, then they will say so.

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Yes and to do so would be morally wrong and illegal as you cite, but the key is “identifiable minor” and as has been explained, most artists would not require references for faces or other identifying features.

Well, dude you just prove once more something we here knew for a long time. That people keep trying to find excuses to ban lolicon. But the reality is that you don’t have any argument to do it, apart the fact that you don’t like it.

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I suddenly had the urge to change my avatar here. For your prurient interest, the child referenced is me about 50 years ago.

I hope I am not offending anyone else, just you.

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I should mention that such imagery should be non-explicit and decent. This is a forum for a charity, not some imageboard.