NO evidence that "child sex dolls" reduce sex crimes

I cannot begin to fathom why a CHILD PROTECTION CHARITY would support legalizing such heinous materials. What the hell is going on??? Has hell frozen over? Are cats and dogs living together??? WHAT THE FUCK is going on???

Many experts believe that child sex dolls will INCREASE sexual crimes. “Better a doll than a real child” is a false dichotomy. Why must we tolerate every possible sexual deviant that men have? It’s a sickness. For fuck sakes why can’t you just buy a sex doll that looks like a youthful 18 year old? Like I cannot understand it.

The prohibition on child sex dolls must be absolute. Yes, I do believe we need to be careful about criminalizing sex dolls, but any sex doll that looks obviously prepubescent is clearly meant to represent a child! I would support the criminalization of possession of dolls which look obviously prepubescent

You say that “no evidence exists that sex dolls reduce sex crimes”, and yet, you don’t link any research that they do. The burden of proof is on the accuser, dearie. Also, the irony is that there have been incidences were “youthful 18 year-olds” (rather 19 in the example) have been erroneously categorized as underage, such as with Lupe Fuentes.

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They have no evidence for this. The only researchers who are actually investigating the psychological effects of sex dolls on their owners are represented on our team. So far they have found that doll ownership is not associated with any increased propensity towards sexual assault of real human beings.

We have also heard from special educators that these devices can be used to prevent young people with developmental disabilities from acting out and harming their peers or caregivers.

So if you find them disgusting, please keep away from them… but there is no evidence to support them being banned.

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Nice try. You will never convince any of us. But you are free to try again. Sex dolls are not the same as child abuse dolls. You can purchase a doll that looks like 18 year olds. There is a huge difference between dolls designed to look like young adults and dolls designed to look like 6 year olds. It absolutely should be a felony to possess child like sex dolls that are so obviously child like that there is no fucking way to argue otherwise. Like we are not even talking about things that are borderline like “hmm that looks like it could either represent an adult or a minor teen idk”. I’m talking about sex dolls OBVIOUSLY designed to look child like.

Whether they lower crime or not is besides the point. It is a sickness to use these child abuse dolls. Even if it reduces other crimes, IT DOES NOT MAKE IT ACCEPTABLE TO USE THESE HORRIBLE DOLLS. Penalties must be RADICALLY increased for anyone caught with these dolls. They should be given the same prison sentence as those who rape real children because we KNOW that is what they would want to do.

Really? Do you really have so little regard for children that you would willingly expose them to an increased risk of harm just to satisfy your own sense of disgust? That’s absolutely horrible. I have no words.

Thankfully we are building a growing movement of people who recognise just how wrong that is, and prefer to follow an approach that is driven by evidence rather than by emotion. If you can’t see the value in that approach, this forum is probably not for you.

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There is no evidence that child sex dolls increase sex crimes either. It’s a moot point either way, since proper research hasn’t been conducted as of late.

I don’t like them either, but criminalization of child sex dolls is a heinous, cruel, and repressive measure to take that isn’t backed by evidence, rather, is represented by a “moralist” position based on prejudice and disgust, rather than logic and reason. It is not consistent, nor justified by research evidence.

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Literally all I got from that was “it’s icky and offensive, therefore it should be criminalized”.

I’m not a pedophile, nor would I, in any sense, condone the act of sexually abusing minors.
But acting like a communal distaste in pedophillic interests is a reasonable or rational justification for criminal sanctions or prohibition on fantasy objects is beyond reasonable. It is cruel. It is evil. Punishing people for a toy that embodies an undesirable idea or interest is the very defininition of thought crime.

It only serves to put actual children in harms way by distorting pedophilia, as a subject matter, by further taboo which has been shown to be harmful.

Also, dolls are not people. There is no evidence that the ownership of these dolls is positively correlated with contact offenses with minors.

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Also, dolls are not people. There is no evidence that the ownership of these dolls is positively correlated with contact offenses with minors.

Yes there is. There is plenty of evidence that there is a very strong correlation and likely causation.

Would you care to provide said proof?

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You can do your own research. I’m twice as old as you are. you know technology better than me.

Oh, I did. And found that safe and legal outlets do reduce real crime.

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I doubt it… PROVE IT. Prove it to us. If you put convincing argument, I might even consider posting it to our QAnon group. But we all know you have nothing to show.

If you’re going to claim a “strong correlation” then you must surely have something to back this up? We’ve done our research and not seen what you have, if you could provide a link it would support your point and allow us to review it from scientific perspective. Without it your point has no validity.

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It’s up to you to prove child sex dolls don’t increase crime. GIVE ME FUCKING PROOF

This is not how the burden of proof works. You will have far more luck getting a point across here if you are able to provide evidence to back up claims you make when suggesting restricting people’s freedoms.

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Burden of proof lies with the accuser. One cannot prove a negative.

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@terminus I’m compiling a list of literature right now to educate these detractors, though, I don’t know if it’ll be helpful.

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No, there is not.

Decades of research have confirmed that the correlation between pornography consumption and sex crimes is contingent on other factors not linked to the pornography itself, in much the same way that consuming violent media (movies, video games, novels) is in no way linked to violent crime.

This is why the DSM-5 clarifies that pedophilia and pedophilic disorder are distinct paraphilias, in that one is a disorder and the other isn’t.

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If I may express my opinion, regardless of what you or anybody else here does, they’re not going to listen. They’ll believe what they want, regardless if the science isn’t on there side.

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Like flies, rats, and other vermin.