Of course, they will be much higher, not every crime is reported. But then again. Right now, in the height of people opposing pornography in general, and many campaigns being organized, we know only about 40 of such people.
And once again, it was 13,500,000 videos before the purge. How much of a margin of error do you want to assume? 30%, 300%, 300000%? It’s still a drop in a sea of contents that was made with peoples consent, people whose earnings depend on this jobs. You are trying to punish 13499960 people, because some horrible human beings hurt 40 people.
I’m not saying that those 40 people shouldn’t be helped. They should. But they should punish people who has been forcing them into trafficking. Pornhub had a poor system of validating their users, they acknowledged that, and began improving, after the first Traffichub situation. That is what you should strive towards as well. To put pressure on those sites to improve their systems, so both people who consent for acting in porn can do the job that they want to do, and people who are trafficked can have the videos of them never uploaded in the first place.
Also, notice the fact, that thanks to a lot of those videos of people being trafficked, that were uploaded to sites like pornhub, the police was able to localize them and rescue them from further exploitation. The world isn’t just black and white.
What you are proposing, is to ban all cars and trucks, because a small portion of drivers kills people while driving. That isn’t the solution.
You want to make 13499960 people suddenly went broke, in a current situation of a pandemic, where it’s harder to find an alternative job because 40 people were hurt.
And you pretend that your cause is moral. It’s not. And I’m not saying you are a bad person, I’m saying that you refuse to see the bigger picture, allowing your bias to make the judgement for your mind.
I only assume things that are proven to be true. I don’t pretend that my beliefs are correct when I have no proof of them being correct. I say 40 people because I only know about 40 people. But of course, I suspect more people are silent. The question is, however, how many? And I doubt it will be over 1% considering the number of videos hosted only on this single site.
What if the adult is coerced, or drugged like in the case of GirlsDoPorn? What if the adult is unconscious or drunk? Just because a person is above the age of 18 doesn’t mean they can’t be raped. You seem to not understand the real reasons why sexual exploitation of minors is wrong if you believe that.
You make the same mistake as a certain previous user, who claimed to oppose sexual exploitation of minors but defended a judge letting a 32-year-old child predator went without charges because she was a woman and the 14-year-old boy was a male. If you like anecdotal evidence, you can see my response to him here:
Long story short, the age isn’t some magical number that turns peoples ability to consent. Most people under the age of 18, 19 and even 20 cannot really give informed consent, simply because they aren’t necessarily in a position to participate in a well-balanced relationship, that wouldn’t result in exploitation.
Yes, but that chance, is extremely low. And this is why you should care for the porn industry to prosper. So verified and well monitored legal institutions can produce professional porn that doesn’t involve any trafficking whatsoever. If you delegalize porn, do you think people who traffick humans will simply stop trafficking humans? Of course not, they already break the law, so they would continue to do it! They would simply go to the darknet, distributing pornography illegally, with no governmental regulations whatsoever, and no ability for the government to even remove such materials without extreme and time-consumingeffort. It will worsen the problem.
This is not an argument. You are saying “Someone might see a crime like a bank robbery on video, so it’s bad”.
But I will make the argument for you, because like I said, I do read arguments on both sides.
Buying or watching ads in a pornographic material that involves someone who didn’t consent to sexual act gives money to people who produced such illegal material, giving them more capital to invest in such practice. Which might intensity the problem of sex trafficking. This is the same problem Child Sexual Exploitation Materials have.
But what you don’t consider, is that supply doesn’t create demand. It’s the demand that creates the supply. If you eliminate legal pornography, people will not simply stop watching it. It’s like saying that if you ban food from the stores, people will stop eating. They will began buing pornography illegally, like in the days of Prohibition of sale of alcoholic beverages from 1920 to 1933 in the US. You can read about this as an example ot what would happen if what you propose is going to be allowed.
Define what do you mean by “normalizes pedophilia”. Because it’s a blank statement that doesn’t mean anything. And it doesn’t lead to more child abuse, the opposite is happening, and once again, there is empirical evidence that has long ago been accepted by the scientific community as an undeniable fact.
Because it doesn’t hurt children, unless they were exploited to produce such material, but you are not talking about CSEM, you are talking about regular porn. There are many movies that have sex scenes in it. Sure, it’s embarrassing when you are a kid to see such things, but to claim it has a traumatic effect? Such an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence. And you seem not to provide anything, other than your personal opinion.
Porn isn’t everywhere. Before the internet it was, all shops had pornographic magazines, VHS tapes and much more. But since the internet has become a common thing, most if not all porn is on porn sites. You should use parental control software to limit access to such sites, the same way you should use seatbelts to protect a child while you are driving. But you instead try to ban cars, because some people got in an accident while riding it.
And you didn’t respond to any of my questions at the bottom.
Also, here you have all the research papers directly:
Diamond, M. et al. “Pornography and Sex Crimes in the Czech Republic,” Archives of Sexual Behavior (2011) 40:1037
Diamond, M. “The Effects of Pornography: An International Perspective,” in Pornography 101: Eroticism, Sexuality, and the First Amendment, edited by J. Elias et al. Prometheus Press, Amherst, NY, 1999.
Diamond, M. and A. Uchiyama. “Pornography, Rape, and Sex Crimes in Japan,” International Journal of Law and Psychiatry (1999) 22:1.
Goldstein, M. et al. “Experience with Pornography: Rapists, Pedophiles, Homosexuals, Transsexuals, and Controls,” Archives of Sexual Behavior (19971) 1:1.
Kutchinsky, B. Pornography and Rape: Theory and Practice? Evidence from crime Data in Four Countries, Where Pornography is Easily Available,” International Journal of Law and Psychiatry (1991) 14:47.
Kutchinsky, B. “The Effect of Easy Availability of Pornography on the Incidence of Sex Crimes: The Danish Experience,” Journal of Social Issues (1973) 29:163.
Poipovic, M. “Pornography Use and Closeness with Others in Men,” Archives of Sexual Behavior (2011) 40:449
Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology, Volume 8, Issue 1 (2018)
What is going to be your excuse now? “I don’t trust multiple sources of peer reviewed scientific papers published by well established scientific institutions, that were made by professionals of the fields the topic is about, that spend their entire lifes learning about the topic, because the science that allowed us to be the civilization that we are today, isn’t a reliable source of information?”