Conflating Sexual Abuse with sexual desire

I was arguing with someone here who can’t stop but define pedophiles as “anyone who has CSA”

Do you find this annoying? It’s like homophobes hearing about “homosexual rape” in the military and not realizing it reffers the type of sexual contact involved, not the sexual orientation of the perpetrator.

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It’s just alot of people like this guy claim:

if you commit any sort of CSA, you show some sort of sexual desire/interest towards that particular child

What do I say to rebut that?

Reply that most people have , or likely will experience some manner of attraction to an individual under the age of 18 (or otherwise age of majority) at some point in their adult lives.

By expanding the definition of pedophile in such a way as to include the majority of people, you diminish the pejorative quality of the word, which people like him would very much like to maintain.

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I am actually looking more towards seeing if there is desire involved in sexual assult most of the time or a desire for power.

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Most assaults are about power.

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Common sense isn’t so common. Honestly it seems to be the justification of the guy I am arguing with for his views. Despite the fact that 73% of CSA is committed by those who are primarily attracted to adults, not pedophiles.

35% of CSA is committed by juveniles, which certainly doesn’t fit the definition of pedophila.

Don’t listen to @anon16261197 . They’re a pro-contact boylover whose word is not valid, nor do they represent the forum in any legitimate capacity. They’re a troll and they should not be on the forum.

Anyway

No. You’d be hard pressed to learn that only half of all CSA (contact sexual offenses, such as molestation, rape, any kind of physical adult-child sexual conduct) is perpetrated by people who do not meet the diagnostic criteria for pedophilic disorder, or even have a persistent sexual interest in children.
This has been confirmed by multiple meta analyses that a sexual interest in minors is NOT a primary risk factor for child sex abuse (CSA).

Perhaps my post on an article about why child sex dolls are not a risk to children will better explain it since I included citations and a graph taken directly from the article.

As far as whether or not a sexual interest or desire should be conflated with the actuality of such acts?
No.
That would be like arguing Grand Theft Auto is real-life mass murder, or is likely to turn you into one because you’re able to simulate violent acts.

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Which one? I used several.

I’m afraid I don’t have the classical education you appear to have. The only Foucault I know, is a pendulum.

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Honestly don’t fight with rando’s on the internet, especially on kiwi farm. There not gonna listen to you at all.

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I don’t. But, in general, rape, abuse, etc. is usually about power more than sex.

As the cops like to say, there are 3 motives; money, sex, power.

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Thank you. Are there any studies on the subject?

If I start reading Foucault I’m sure I’ll be susceptible to confirmation bias. Though what I’ve read about in a quick search suggests to me he is more delineating the power dynamics within society and societal institutions rather than in individual, personal relationships.

It may be criticised, but my personal belief, like that of Larry’s, is that sexual desires are - at least in part - instinctively a need to feel dominant or dominated. (- “Sweet dreams are made of these.”)

Obviously being attracted to someone (or thing) also comes into play.

As it so happens, yesterday I decided to commit something I had been working on for some time to be viewed by a wider audience. (Well, potentially anyway.) So I “bit the bullet” and published my first piece to ‘Wordpress’.

Except, it turns out the editing of it is too difficult on a mobile phone and it all seemed far too complicated, so I pasted it in ‘Medium’ instead (which ripped out all the ‘Word’ formatting, but never mind). I added a final couple of paragraphs as a musing on this very point. However, the initial concept - “Can you be attractive without being sexually attractive?” - also seems not too dissimilar to @87blue’s original post:

Can someone be attractive without being sexually attractive? | by John Parker Meadows | Sep, 2021 | Medium

Although I start off with the greatest of intentions (giving my interpretation of Diotima’s ‘Ladder of Love’ in an attempt to show an evolving hierarchy to desires) it is an introspective, and I am apt to go off on a tangent here and there. I would be appreciative of any feedback, but no pressure.

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Assaulting someone is rarely about attractiveness. It is usually about dominance and power. Rapists are usually not that choosy, it’s more about accessibility. “Put a bag over her/his head” is more likely. A lot of child abuse is the same. It’s who the abuser can easily get and control. That’s why many believe pedophiles and hebephiles are not the greatest risk. They have specific desires that are difficult to access and they would prefer a mutual acquiescence. And even if they do have access, many don’t want to hurt the child and keep distant fearing being found out. The ones that misuse the trust of a child are heinous.

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Citation needed please