And I’m telling you that people are not obligated to prove negatives. Good. Get pissed off. How pissed off? As pissed as Wang Lang, of course, with the same end:
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We HAVE given you proof! Time and time again, but you REFUSE to acknowledge it, much like everything else we tell you.
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This “charity” is evil. It’s equivalent to Autism speaks for autists. Does Prostasia even work with real organizations? I have a feeling there might be a real pedo agenda behind all this. So many red flag EVERYWHERE.
@terminus pinging you so you could shed more light on their concerns.
No, Prostasia is not evil.
All of the Foundation’s points are based on scientific evidence and empirically sound facts. And yes, from what I can tell the Prostasia Foundation does work with other child protection organizations and charities, such as StopItNow! and VirPed.
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such as StopItNow!
I see no proof of that. In fact I see the reverse. There were screenshots circulating on facebook of posts linking to stopitnow on this forum only for those links to be removed. if you guys are affiliated with stopitnow why remove those links? Shady organization. I think you guys have something to hide.
we know everything.
That’s a stretch if I’ve ever seen one.
Not at all
We don’t but do please tell what you think it is.
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The links to StopItNow were likely removed because they were spam. Prostasia already provides links to StopItNow! and other charities on their main website, though, I suppose adding an integrated forum disclaimer linking to them couldn’t hurt?
QAnon has been harassing Prostasia, as well as other child abuse prevention organizations, with the NCMEC and others having to filter out calls from QAnon followers. Very suspicious conduct… hmm…
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I’ve been operating under that assumption of suspicion for a few days now. That they’re afraid of child protection organizations getting in the way of something they’re doing. (Grooming children or something along those lines.)
“Villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well-camouflaged.” -Jean Luc Picard
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or they’re being implicated in some sort of psyop to disrupt their work for similar reasons. That’s my assumption, wouldn’t be the first time people on the internet have been manipulated by bad-faith actors in order to achieve some sort of agenda. Part of the reason why Time Warner Cable didn’t clamp down on Anonymous during the late 2000s as hard as other ISPs did was because they were fueling the demand for ‘V for Vendetta’ merchandise, ala the Guy Fawkes masks.
QAnon has been harassing Prostasia, as well as other child abuse prevention organizations, with the NCMEC and others having to filter out calls from QAnon followers.
Sigh, you guys don’t get it do you? QAnon is a loose affiliated group. WE ARE NOT A FUCKING CULT. The Q members making calls to NCMEC and others on sex trafficking likely believed there was trafficking but were constantly false alarms.
There are serious child protection organizations. However, Prostasia is not a serious one. Prostasia is the one that is attracting a huge amount of heat. Why does Prostasia get heat while real child protection organizations like Canadian Centre for ChildProtection get massive praise?
Stop calling yourselves a child protection organization. Prostasia is just an anti pedo-stigma organization.
But that’s exactly how cults work. They can be decentralized, but still loosely affiliated based on ideology or agenda. That’s what makes QAnon so pervasive and problematic.
Yes they are? It was Prostasia that renewed my faith in humanity that common sense and empirical science that the majority doesn’t want to hear will be heard - that innocent people wouldn’t be subject to mob-rule and prejudice while also respecting and acknowledging the risks and serious nature inherent with child sexual abuse, while also respecting the distinction between a non-voluntary interest in sex with minors from a paraphilic disorder. The Prostasia Foundation is very much a serious organization.
To my knowledge, Prostasia is only getting heat from QAnon cultists and Twitter conspiracy theorists who refuse to read. But this isn’t a popularity contest.
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They can be decentralized, but still loosely affiliated based on ideology or agenda.
There is no such thing as a “decentralized cult”. That is a movement. Also going against the majority is what we call authoritarianism. If over 80% want a type of sex toy banned, to not ban it would itself to authoritarian.
To my knowledge, Prostasia is only getting heat from QAnon cultists and Twitter conspiracy theorists who refuse to read. But this isn’t a popularity contest.
Well, the general public is the one funding these child protection charities. Go against us and you will see at best a trickle. There are 20 times as many people who support criminalizing child abuse dolls than there are wanting it legal. If you look at the ratios for those who STRONGLY feel about the issue, it’s 50 times. Like dude… Why the fuck would a “child protection” charity pick such an unpopular decision?
Cult members tend to think that.
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We’ve been over this.
First of all, there’s no concrete proof that “80% of the population” want this toy banned. I’ve had conversations with my friends and family over the prospect of banning child sex dolls, and while they generally find the concept of a pedophillic sex toy to be offensive, maybe harmful, they’re also more put off by the idea of banning a sex toy based on the types of interests it caters to, as that feels like it would open the door to more regulation of our private thoughts and ideas. They would never openly or publicly state this, though, for fear of backlash. The “silent majority” isn’t just a concept used by Trump supporters.
Secondly, what you’re describing is the tyranny of the majority. Rights exist regardless of what the minority or majority may think of them. The right to free speech and free expression is what protects these dolls from prohibition, as prohibiting them without a justified harm-based reason would be viewpoint discrimination. It would be no different then banning QAnon discussion on social media simply because people don’t like it or feel threatened by your activities. Would you say your group is harmful or needs regulation?
You don’t get to exercise what would otherwise be considered a cruel and unjustified prohibition on something, be it an idea, interest, thing, or group simply because the majority wants to do so. That’s not democracy, that’s majoritarian tyranny and it’s precisely what our Bill of Rights was designed to prevent.
You know, freedom of speech was seen as very unpopular in its day. Many people felt it would open the door to undesirable, offensive, or harmful ideas and cultures to prop up that could not coexist with pre-established norms and sensibilities, and yet here we are.
Same with COVID-19 restrictions and lockdowns, but they’re necessary to keep people safe and healthy and to reduce the spread of infection. I lost a friend from my childhood to COVID-19 and they had no pre-existing conditions, influenza, or other ailments. They thought they were invincible and now their family is having to pay off funeral and burial plot expenses before they turned 21.
An idea’s popularity has no bearing on its scientific efficacy or validity.
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So if enough stupid peasants want a witch burned, that witch should be burned? Like I said, in order to rescue that witch, the lives of all those stupid peasants is a more than fair trade.
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That is not what authoritarianism is. Authoritarianism is when the government controls every aspect of the private lives of its citizens, such as, just to pick one entirely random example, making laws about the sex toys that they are allowed to use in the privacy of their own bedrooms.
Because we don’t do what’s popular, we do what’s right! We were formed precisely because other, more popular organizations were promoting harmful laws and policies. The Canadian Center for Child Protection is one of those… did you know that they had a 17 year old girl arrested over cartoons that she posted to her blog?
The nature of human rights work involves doing what’s unpopular sometimes! How popular do you think it was for the ACLU when they stood up for the free speech rights of the KKK? We would never make progress in society if there weren’t people willing to stand up for unpopular causes, because they believed it was right!
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Tyranny of the majority is apparently a foreign concept to these lowlives.
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Agreed. It’s a very real concept that they, a fringe group of self-admitted sociopolitical dissidents, ought to appreciate.
The prohibition of child sex dolls and virtual child pornography is cruel. It is inherently authoritarian. It is not rational, reasonable, nor is it justified.
There is no evidence that these dolls will normalize child sexual abuse or incite pedophiles to commit acts of child sexual abuse.
There is, if anything, evidence to support the contrary; that these dolls will actually REDUCE the likelihood of child sexual abuse.
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It’s more than authoritarian. It’s totalitarian, as it affects what people do in their own private time, as opposed to their interactions with the government.
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Why do they deserve punishment?