How can artists create without fear?

Art and fiction
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How can someone who refused to watch the film even do such a thing as “review” it?

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Unfortunately, things are made much worse, due to hypocrites, like these: https://twitter.com/ZED_B01/status/1282132749424500736
Naturally, I’m the sort to value my own position above others, so I would definitely be more interested in protecting the loli interest than the MAP interest, should those 2 diverge in opposite directions.

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So, loli is wrong, but him being attracted to children is okay?

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Hypocrisy, yeah, but I think that he’s the sort that supports “cures” but still wants people who like loli to live in shame about it. Again, I feel camaraderie with vampires. The only thing more annoying than those trying to kill us is those trying to “cure” us.

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A friend on IRC linked me this.

Patreon’s insane new rules don’t allow artists to draw ANY objectionable content, even on other sites. Even if you only use your Patreon to fund normal artwork, Patreon will try to hunt down your Pixiv / Hentai Foundry profile and force you to delete anything they don’t like. (Archived Tweet)

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There’s quite a few alternatives to Patreon nowadays, isn’t there?

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Not really. Patreon is the only place with monthly subscriptions, and I don’t know how ko-fi works. We are going to ignore paypal because they cancel people waaaaaaaay too much already

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Not really. There’s places like Fanbox and Fantia.

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Also, SubscribeStar.

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Huh. I spend a lot of time online and have never heard of either of them, and I would be willing to bet that not only are most of my fellow artist-folk unaware of them, but most of their consumers would be too

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Fanbox is the “Patreon” of pixiv - basically it’s their own thing.

Fantia is just another Patreonesque like site which mainly caters to the Japanese.

I do know of SubscribeStar, but I’m not familiar with it.

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Meanwhile, in Australia…

Books Kinokuniya Sydney Removes 7 Manga After Lawmaker’s ‘Child Pornography’ Complaint

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Australia is the same place where small boobs counts as “child pornography”, though.

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And Australia banned three of the “No Game, No Life” light novels:

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Here is a list of sites similar to Patreon that allow fictional taboo content.

Booth
Enty
Skeb
Fanbox
Fantia
DLSite

I don’t know how much they guarantee anonymity, but there is always the option to use some virtual credit card.

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Note that all Japanese sites censor clear depiction of sex organs even in hardcore contents due to their laws prohibiting “obscene objects” (stupid & bad laws though). Creators will be notified if they forget to pixelate penises or vaginas.

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The current ‘‘epidemic’’ of minors looking at porn is encouraging a growing amount of artists to support expansions to obscenity laws which will hopefully prevent minors from looking at porn by mandating I.D or CC information on certain social media platforms.

Personally I think, that tactic is completely stupid. I think the best way to benefit artists and people in general is to simply advocate for the abolition of obscenity laws all-together. They are built upon puritanical and pseudo scientific values and don’t really help anyone, yet defending and upholding obscenity laws has become a sign of ‘‘moral good’’ and very few people dare to challenge or ignore them.

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@Jigsy
That’s FANZA, which isn’t a surprise. They’ve censored multiple keywords before, such as “rape”, “JK”, “hypnosis”, and “slave”, much like PayPal doing.

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Ah, yeah I see your point now! I misunderstood from the phrasing, sorry about that. It is annoying how most people do not understand that what we think is sexual is mostly opinionated, not even “sex organs” are always sexual. They’re just body parts.
Had to try to explain to someone just today that twerking while culturally thought of as sexual, is just silly butt shaking and so it’s only sexual if someone thinks that it is, or if that’s their “thing”. ;D lol

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Well actually, for their time, Shakespeare wrote about almost every taboo subject. Haha. They were pretty lewd, they were just lucky that those in power liked his brand of lewd. But your point still is relevant.

Because those platforms benefit the echo chambers of the people who control those platforms rather than letting unconventional artists express themselves artistically without censorship.

I drives me crazy businesses think this is a good idea, but looking at Tumblr, while it’s not dead exactly, it killed it’s biggest and most known audience by listening to the very loud voices echoing of just a few.

Jack, you would have had more artistic freedom in America before the early 2000’s
I’m noticing, yeah, just by age I missed a big chance I think. I could still break out, but I’m going to be hit with a lot more hatred than I think ever before.

Overall, totally agree that there just might not be the “safest” way to do anything revolutionary, in light of recent events.

I really want to make comics, stuff everyone will love, but also stuff that talks about my opinions on these topics, and I’m terrified of the push back I’ll get, or the downright hate. I love that I can at least come here and talk. It’s nice to feel less alone.

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