@Chie If I get banned for my views I won’t be upset. I just want to tell you, you’re one of the few levelheaded people I’ve ever met. Don’t stop fighting the good fight. I know others here may not agree with you, but I 100% do. You have a good night. And thank you, for making me feel welcome into this community since Day 1. God bless
At most, I’d allow SUPERVISORED dms. But NO ADULT IN THEIR RIGHT MIND, WOULD PRIVATELY DM A CHILD. Sorry not sorry, that’s a societal fact.
Like I said. I’m not debating this. And if you don’t like what I’ve said, tough. I’m one of the most open minded people you’ll meet. But if any of this is to try and sway me to sympathize with the cause, ya’ll are doing the utmost to push me in the wrong direction. If ya’ll can’t convince me, that what Prostasia stands for, is in the best interest of society, and will keep the safety of children at the forfront, than yall have no chance of “nonoffenders” EVER being sympathized with. And if you don’t see that as a bad thing, then god help ya. Cause I know for a fact if people came in here and saw pedos saying they should be allowed to privately message children just because they’re on “good behavior”, the media would turn this into a firestorm. Good night
" MSC should allow minors. In fact, they should start allowing private DMs as well," What in the actual fuck. No. 1000x NO. That is the most gross negligent comment I’ve ever read in my entire life. The safety of children will always trump a MAPs rights.
Why are you here, then? The whole point of Prostasia is to advocate for methods of CSA prevention that are compatible with maintaining human rights. That it’s possible to have both at the same time.
I won’t even entertain any argument or a debate. No. And I honestly don’t care how this sounds: I’m very concerned that an individual who admits to be a map/pedo is suggesting private dms with fucking minors.
Why? And are you aware that this “map/pedo” is also a minor aerself?
That is one of the BIGGEST red flags. So no. And if that ever even became an entertained suggestion on MSC I would do everything in my power to SHUT IT DOWN. That’s like trying to say an alcoholic should be allowed to “have a beer every now and then”. No. You are putting gasoline and a lit box of matches to grossly together. I don’t care if they’ve “been on the up and up” for 50 years.
MAP attractions do not inherently involve a lack of self-control anymore than heterosexuality does.
No. The childrens safety will always trump anything else. And if you disagree, I never want to year that you “care about the children” again.
I do not want to hear “I care about children” from someone who wants to deny children/teens their rights to privacy and freedom.
There is a reason theres plenty of harmful stigmas surrounding them.
Are you implying those reasons are rational?
While I want them to be treated like humans, and be able to get help and get a life, but no.
Are you assuming all of us need help in order to not offend?
The ideas of allowing pedophiles to PRIVATELY, let alone publicly converse with minors, is the most irresponsible idea I’ve ever heard. In fact in that case, why stop there? Let them have unsuprervised play dates! Just. No.
Do you believe DMs on all platforms, not just ones with open pedophiles, should be actively supervised?
I’m someone that hated pedophiles. Thought they should all be executed behind the back of a building. Since finding this group, my opinion has greatly lessoned. Because its a mental disorder noone chooses to have.
It is not, in fact, a mental disorder. And even if it was chosen, it would still be harmless.
But pretend I’m the public majority. I WANT to try and sympathize. But when you make suggestions like that, my sympathy go out the window. No, I’m not wanting you to kiss my ass for PR. But to make LOGICAL, RATIONAL CHOICES. And that isn’t one. The fact that you can stand there and think that’s a highly rational statement to make, deeply troubles me.
I was sitting, actually.
Pedos should be treated like humans, but the children come first. I’d be inclined to even try to, compromise with MAPs that ARE MINORS, to be allowed SUPERVISED dms with other minors. But an ADULT SHOULD NEVER PRIVATELY MESSAGE A CHILD EVER. Not even Nonmaps should be privately dming children.
Why not?
Children should be talking to CHILDREN.
Adults should not be allowed to force children to talk to other children.
any adult that seeks out children to conversate with and whatnot, is a red fucking flag. THANKS
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At most, I’d allow SUPERVISORED dms. But NO ADULT IN THEIR RIGHT MIND, WOULD PRIVATELY DM A CHILD. Sorry not sorry, that’s a societal fact.
Nice ableism.
Like I said. I’m not debating this. And if you don’t like what I’ve said, tough. I’m one of the most open minded people you’ll meet.
“Open-minded,” and yet you are unwilling to debate? Press X to doubt.
I’ve met people who are literal offending pro-contacts, you can’t beat them lol.
But if any of this is to try and sway me to sympathize with the cause, ya’ll are doing the utmost to push me in the wrong direction. If ya’ll can’t convince me, that what Prostasia stands for, is in the best interest of society, and will keep the safety of children at the forfront, than yall have no chance of “nonoffenders” EVER being sympathized with. And if you don’t see that as a bad thing, then god help ya. Cause I know for a fact if people came in here and saw pedos saying they should be allowed to privately message children just because they’re on “good behavior”, the media would turn this into a firestorm. Good night
Have you considered that perhaps I am not interested in convincing people like you? That I am not the type of MAPtivist who believes in incrementalism? That the media has already has a firestorm about MSC, without ever mentioning that it supervises DMs? I value the wellbeing of children and MAPs equally (not that the two categories are mutually exclusive), and I am not interested in becoming an assimilationist to appease the likes of you. Good night.
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Than you and the rest of NOMAPS with never find sympathy from society XD Good luck lmfao
This is ecactly why Prostasia will never be taken seriously. This is why it got raided. This is why I’ve been hearing people talk about taking things further. Oh well. You missed the entire point. But you gladly proved my point. Lmao
As I said above, are you going to prioritise your feelings and good PR, or young paedophiles having a space they feel comfortable and welcome in, because with the DM ban minors do not feel welcome in MSC and are simply going elsewhere?
The two are not mutually exclusive.
You don’t say?
I want minors who do end up in MSC to feel comfortable and welcome there, with the DM ban they no longer do.
A popular but always invalid comparison. Attraction is not like addiction. Paedophiles do not lack self control any more than the non-paedophilic population. The stigma that we do is unhelpful from a CSA prevention stance.
I make my choices free of stigma and falsehoods about paedophiles. I look at the facts and determine the best choice. It’s hard to set aside that deeply entrenched stigma, I understand that.
No, there are many places and situations in which children and adults may interact, many shared communities and interests and that communication can lead to great things. I worked with kids, would’ve been hard to do that without talking to them.
To clarify my position is not that of prostasia, I disagree with them on many things including some fundamental beliefs.
All the minors on MSC do still DM their adult peers privately, they just do so off platform now in even more isolated spaces away from anti-contact peers. It’s in the anti-c interest to allow private DMs on MSC, it keeps minors there and keeps their DMs on platform.
As chronic said, we’re not interested in becoming assimilationists to appease you.
Showing your true colours I see. Then shoot me. Shoot all the leading researchers in this area, all the leading CSA prevention experts.
You don’t know what treatment is, there isn’t even treatment for paedophilia and you know why? Because it’s a sexual orientation, unchanging and not in need of changing.
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@CaptainCrunch
You need to calm down. Reading your posts is like reading /pol/ after Trump won in 2020.
I agree with you on a few things, like not allowing open DMs with minors on a SUPPORT CHAT for people in need of guidance and the needless attempt to kowtow to public sentiment, rather than think critically or objectively. Supervision and safety are utmost concerns and due diligence ought to be taken whenever and wherever possible, and due diligence simply precludes that.
However, you likening minor attraction to alcoholism is a blatant false comparison, one that I, as a victim of CSA and someone who isn’t a MAP, take great offense to. It does nobody justice to make charged comparisons like that and only serves to be a lazy attempt at virtue signaling, rather than produce a coherent argument for WHY allowing minors to be direct-messaged in the MAP Support Chat would be a bad idea, and that argument could be boiled down to how unacceptable would the risk of doing so would be for something to go wrong. No other argument is necessary.
But your hatred towards @Prostasia is insanely misdirected and you’ve admitted to committing heinous and unreasonable acts to try and harm their operations and communities without due consideration.
And that cannot go unaddressed.
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If anything, i blame myself for not doing a better job in participating in the thread that I have created to convince @Iris and @anon96873729 for why the MSC is right for restricting DMs for minors in the MAP Support Chat.
We all have our hearts and minds in the right place with a common understanding of the facts. We just need to discuss why certain points are right over the other and try to make better judgements from what information is available. That is how rational minds are convinced. That is how reasonable decisions are made.
@CaptainCrunch I sincerely hope you would consider remaining civil. Harsh militaristic and disruptive actions such as this do nothing to improve or help anyone, rather, they make coming to an agreement much harder. Aggression of that nature is the antithesis of discourse.
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Now… what did you mean by @Sunflower?
If you’re still here, that is.
I only ask because I’ve been extremely busy here and they seemed like they were in need of some sort of meaningful discussion, which it seemed like they were getting, before having their threads locked and going quiet.
I want Prostasia’s forum community to be on the same page, as well as safe and productive in their discussion.
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That’s fine… but a word you’re not considering is contingency.
My stance on not allowing DMs for minors in the MSC is built on the risk of such a thing being allowed.
The fear of something going wrong, and what’s worse, that wrong going unaddressed by the administration so that the values and mission of the MSC are adequately maintained.
Appeasing normies has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I can…somewhat tell? Your writing style and voracious decisiveness are familiar, yet such things are not really hallmarks of much.
This isn’t about denying minors their rights to privacy and freedom. Life isn’t an 80s movie where high school kids can freely hook up with 22-year-olds to smoke weed, skip school, drink cheap booze, and have sex while still being alright in the end. Those movies and stories are hazy recollections of rose-tinted movies that intentionally minimize or omit the risks and their severity. People learn. They evolve.
My post isn’t to downplay what you said (assuming you are actually a minor) but you need to realize that the stance adopted by the MSC was adopted for a reason, one that I agree with.
This isn’t to play into @CaptainCrunch’s incredulous claim you called out in:
But please take the time to consider my points.
My handle is ‘Chie’ because it means ‘wisdom’. This isn’t some pointless name i arbitrarily gave myself, but simply because I tend to learn not from my own experiences, but those of others. Hindsight is the eye of the future.
When I first heard of the MSC and the fact that they allowed minors, I was immediately against, but after considering how it’s done and the fact that it’s supervised, my mind began to set at ease, especially after communicating with some of the persons involved via email.
I still stand on the fact that minors should not have the ability to DM.
Than you and the rest of NOMAPS with never find sympathy from society XD Good luck lmfao
Oh, we will. Have you considered that perhaps not everyone is exactly like you?
This is ecactly why Prostasia will never be taken seriously. This is why it got raided. This is why I’ve been hearing people talk about taking things further. Oh well. You missed the entire point. But you gladly proved my point. Lmao
We’re getting raided because you’re calling in your little friends to raid us. But nice try.
“Nice ableism” shut the fuck up. I literally have autism and other mental others so you can completely take that and shove it XD
So do I! Sorry to break it to you, but that doesn’t give you a free pass to be ableist.
I have no reason to debate with a pedophile that thinks other pedophiles should talk to children.
Then why are you still responding?
That will never be normalized and just because I’m apart of this community doesn’t mean I’m going to “bow down” to the demands of you demented fucks.
Pity.
You’ve shown me, that people like you will never gain support amongst society because of your illogical conductive reasoning.
Care to elaborate?
Pure and simple
You don’t think wanting to fuck little kids, is a mental disorder? That it’s “natural and normal” You deserve to be shot execution style.
You wanna shoot all the scientists in the field? Go ahead.
The fact that you don’t care to try to have me WANT to support you and your kind, shows you don’t care about treatment.
How exactly did you make that leap?
You’re more worried about having people accept your sick fucked up interests, than get treatment.
Treatment involves us accepting our own sick fucked up interests, funnily enough.
This is the same reason sunflower is no longer active within this community.
No loss 
You’re all sick fucks. Enjoy having your little safe space
Ta Ta
You’ll have no better luck taking down Prostasia’s forum than you will taking down our safe spaces on Mastodon. NNIA has been reported to the authorities numerous times, and we’re still standing. Try harder.
Ah yes because wanting to fuck little kids is normal.
Did we say it’s normal? Do you assume all abnormal traits are mental illnesses? Strange.
Can’t wait to send these to Keemstar and other content creators lmaoo
You think I’m new to this type of harassment? I’ve been in the community as an activist for months. I’ve dealt with disgusting harasser antis in my server, with my server getting posted about on a popular anti account for reporting (it’s still up, lol). I’ve been QRTed by verified accounts. I came out as an ally on proship Twitter and was blocked by four hundred people in two days. I’ve had whole callout posts made about me on Tumblr. I’ve had constant gore, death threats, suicide bait, sexual abuse threats, promises of doxxing, aphobia, transphobia, racism, and ableism sent to me. My friends have had YouTube videos made and viewed by millions of people with screenshots from their accounts.
None of us are hiding. You are free to scroll through my NNIA or Twitter and screenshot the last ProblematicTM thing I said. I don’t mind if you post about me. I’d welcome it, actually. My goal has always been to reach more MAPs and allies, especially young ones who are struggling.
You people are sick fucks.
And proud!
This is exactly why I had the discord raided. I’ve had enough. I’ve taken my screenshots. Yall have fun;)
I find it quite hilarious how you feel this constant urge to brag about all your great grand accomplishments. You remind me of a certain anti acquaintance of mine, who constantly bragged about all the MAP servers he raided. He turned out to be a closeted lolicon, in the end.
Do you want power? Do you want fame? Do you want recognition? A pat on the head from your idols? The rush of validation that a big account agreeing with you, praising you, provides?
The moral high ground certainly provides quite the lovely view, doesn’t it? Pity that it doesn’t last. We will continue to do rational, real CSA prevention while you remain in the dust trying and failing to chase after thoughtcrimes and ghosts.
My stance on not allowing DMs for minors in the MSC is built on the risk of such a thing being allowed.
The fear of something going wrong, and what’s worse, that wrong going unaddressed by the administration so that the values and mission of the MSC are adequately maintained.
Elaborate, please? You’re being extremely vague.
I can…somewhat tell? Your writing style and voracious decisiveness are familiar, yet such things are not really hallmarks of much.
I meant that I discussed being a minor in the Discord server, and many are familiar with my social media presence elsewhere on which I am open about being a minor.
This isn’t about denying minors their rights to privacy and freedom. Life isn’t an 80s movie where high school kids can freely hook up with 22-year-olds to smoke weed, skip school, drink cheap booze, and have sex while still being alright in the end. Those movies and stories are hazy recollections of rose-tinted movies that intentionally minimize or omit the risks and their severity. People learn. They evolve.
A poor comparison. Mere social contact with adults does not cause trauma. Also, high school kids should absolutely be allowed to do those things.
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What? I’m very confused as to what I was atted for.
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I think they deleted this
CaptainCrunchIsCringe
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and EpicFailIsBased uwu
Pwease hang me uwu im into that daddy 
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But an ADULT SHOULD NEVER PRIVATELY MESSAGE A CHILD EVER. Not even Nonmaps should be privately dming children. Children should be talking to CHILDREN. any adult that seeks out children to conversate with and whatnot, is a red fucking flag.
With all due respect, this is complete and utter bollocks. As an adult, I have life-experience to draw upon, and have used that experience in private discussions with people who purported to be underage. (I have no way of knowing if they were underage or not in reality, but I nevertheless accepted their statements at face value.)
What led me into a conversation with them, was a public post on a Forum wherein they were asking for advice on how to engage in a course of action that would prove detrimental to them in the long-term. (Specifically, they were asking how to safely market nudes of themselves. We had a series of exchanges, where I did my level best to dissuade them from that course of action.)
If children are only allowed to communicate with other children, then they will be deprived of a valuable source of advice and experience, and IMO, they will be the poorer for it.
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Back when I had a rock music page on Myspace, there used to be a feature that streamed all the posts of all one’s contacts. Every other day you’d see some serious depression or suicidality go by, often from teenaged music fans. Usually there were anonymizing names shielding the identity and location, so you couldn’t alert anyone. I became quite practised at talking kids out of killing themselves. Some now in their early 30s remain online friends.
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