I am aware that he contributes to Prostasia, however, he seem to be promoting a harmful lie about Transpeople.
Let me get this right: I wrote an essay in 2018, and you are faulting me for not including a study that did not exist until 2019? Moreover, my original statement is still true. That study (Turban, 2019) is not an outcomes study at all, nevermind an outcomes study of conversation therapy.
He refers to this study
Association Between Recalled Exposure to Gender Identity Conversion Efforts and Psychological Distress and Suicide Attempts Among Transgender Adults
…did he even bother reading it?
In a cross-sectional study of 27 715 US transgender adults, recalled exposure to gender identity conversion efforts was significantly associated with increased odds of severe psychological distress during the previous month and lifetime suicide attempts compared with transgender adults who had discussed gender identity with a professional but who were not exposed to conversion efforts. For transgender adults who recalled gender identity conversion efforts before age 10 years, exposure was significantly associated with an increase in the lifetime odds of suicide attempts
Now while these are recalled expiences, the fact there were 27,000+ transpeople saying the same thing is hard to ignore
Regarding my other post, a fact doesn’t change because you call it a lie. I provided every citation and every calculation for anyone to check. Linking to an essay by someone who keeps repeating that they didn’t actually read the studies isn’t much of a help.
He means this
With all due respect Dr. Cantor, I think you (along with the general public) are conflating a diagnosis of gender dysphoria with one of being transgender. In fact, only a subset of GD children are treated as if they are transgender.
Kristina Olson, Ph.D, the director of the TransYouth Project at the University of Washington, which both clinically treats GD kids and does research, makes this point in her review article “Prepubescent Transgender Children: What We Do and Do Not Know,” Journal of the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, Volume 55 Number 3 March 2016. She describes “a transgender child” (for example, a natal male) as “a child who consistently, persistently, and insistently identiﬁes as female despite, in this case, being a natal male.” It is these “binary transgender children” that are candidates for such treatments as social transitioning, not every child with a diagnosis of GD. (As the DSM-5 itself notes, a GD diagnosis casts a wider net: “Experienced gender may include alternative gender identities beyond binary stereotypes. Consequently, the distress is not limited to a desire to simply be of the other gender, but may include a desire to be of an alternative gender, provided that it differs from the individual’s assigned gender.”)
There is empiric evidence that such children, exhibiting consistent, persistent and insistent identity as the “opposite” sex, persist as transgender into adolescence and adulthood:
“[S]tudies have found that children showing the most “extreme” signs of GD —- the ones who show more gender nonconformity (e.g., more behavioral preferences, more insistence on the “other” identity) -— are the most likely to identify later as transgender.3 More speciﬁcally, Steensma et al.5 [Steensma TD, McGuire JK, Kreukels BP, Beekman AJ, Cohen-Kettenis P., Factors associated with desistence and persistence of childhood gender dysphoria: a quantitative follow-up study. J Am Acad Child Adolesc Psychiatry. 2013;52:582-590]suggested that the distinction between children who believe themselves to be the other gender and those who wish they were a member of the “other” gender appears to be a key predictor of persistence. They reported that “explicitly asking children with GD with which sex they identify seems to be of great value in predicting a future outcome.”5 (p. 588). Thus, knowing whether a child consistently claims the “other” gender identity might be the best single predictor of later transgender identity.
The first study cited by Cantor to support desistance is Lebovitz, P. S. (1972). Feminine behavior in boys: Aspects of its outcome. American Journal of Psychiatry, 128, 1283–1289. A study which classifies “effeminate behaviour” as “deviance” and attempts to use that behaviour as a method of predicting whether a child will identify as gay, trans or cis het. The paper argues that the earlier onset the “deviance” the more likely they will not be cis het. This at a time when the mean age for coming out as transgender was 40+. A number which is now much closer to 20 and lower due to social progress.
The entire point of this paper is gross, to be frank. Its general framing of this whole thing is very conversion therapy-esque, and heavily pathologises being gay or trans as bad things we must identify and avoid ie “deviant”. This study very clearly doesn’t live up to our modern standards at all, in which most of us have moved very far on from calling men gay or women for not being brooding masculine archetypes.
Not to mention it doesn’t at all answer any kind of questions regarding desistance. The study was about 16 boys who “exhibited feminine behaviour”, three were transsexual, one transvestite, two gay with the remaining 10 being cis hetero. If this study proves anything, it’s the aforementioned fact that doing things society has arbitrarily decided are “effeminate” as a man doesn’t make you defective, deviant, gay or a woman. Nothing of desistance at all, whatsoever.
Next study is Zuger, B. (1978). Effeminate behavior present in boys from childhood: Ten additional years of follow-up.Comprehensive Psychiatry, 19, 363–369 . Which from the name alone you can see runs into the exact same problems as the study beforehand. Oops.
This final one in particular is worth mentioning as it shows the current medical perspectives beginning to take form. It states that presenting with dysphoria isn’t necessarily a good predictor of whether someone will continue to identify as transgender or not. Rather that the “strength, rigidity, and persistence of cross-gender behavior through latency may be a good predictor of transsexual outcome.”
In short, this means that you don’t need to have dysphoria to be trans, and if someone is strongly and rigidly insisting and persisting to identify as trans? They probably are, ie self identification. Studies like this are why the so called affirmative approach was put in place, because it gives kids the space to work out who they are for themselves without pressure or prejudice. It let’s them have the chance to persist and tell you who they are.
Next is Money, J., & Russo, A. J. (1979). Homosexual outcome of discordant gender identity/role: Longitudinal follow-up. Journal of Pediatric Psychology, 4, 29–41. And yes, that is /that/ “Money, J”, long before he was outed as an extremely messed up individual who abused two children so badly they both ended their lives as adults. A fact worth mentioning as Money’s perspectives on gender identity, ie the idea that it is malleable and can be bent into shape via raising a child a certain way, informed his decision to experiment on the Reimer twins and likely wormed their way into his work elsewhere, including this study.
This study doesn’t refer to trans children and is once again about “effeminate” boys and how that’s bad for some reason. This study does actually refer to one singular trans child, who had to do what’s called the “Real life rest” or “Real life experience. In short this is where you socially transition without any medication at all, something which this child did in the 70s. So it might come as no surprise to anyone that this child later detransitioned, not least since almost every modern transition study and study into mental health and suicidality of transgender people shows that society’s hostility and rejection of us is the most common reason for detransition.
The study does not at all mention whether this child later went onto attempt to transition again later in life. Which is a far more common than you’d think, so many trans people I know personally, even now in 2020, are on round 2 or more of transition. It is and always has been punishing and expensive to be trans, sometimes it’s just not possible to be out and proud, sometimes we are forced back into the closet.
And yeah this is about a study Cantor himself made…