This is the reason why people want to ban lolicon but don't seem to care about violent media involving children

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As I’ve delved deeper into the societal responses to lolicon, I’ve come to realize that the strong aversion to it is rooted in a moral dissonance. This dissonance arises because lolicon characters are designed with pronounced adult sexual traits, which naturally evoke an attraction in most people (even non-lolicons and non-pedophiles). Yet, because these characters are also portrayed with youthful features, this attraction conflicts with the moral stance that finding children attractive is wrong. However, it’s not surprising, that ‘normal’ adults would find lolis appealing — it’s expected given the adult attributes they exhibit, that is not something we would find in real children (as illustrated in the infographic below). So, the moral conflict this creates is what leads to calls for its banishment.

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What’s fascinating is the stark contrast in how society reacts to violence versus sexualization in media, particularly when children are involved. Fictional violence, even against children, doesn’t seem to generate the same level of moral conflict. People recognize such violence as reprehensible but also as purely fictitious, without the same impulse to ‘cleanse’ it from media. This absence of moral dissonance with violence may be due to a clearer separation in our minds between fiction and reality.
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In contrast, lolicon challenges this separation. It triggers a discomfort that stems from an attraction to what’s perceived as a child’s image, despite being fictional. This discomfort seems to drive the narrative that lolicon could be a stepping stone to actual harmful behavior, despite evidence suggesting that attraction to lolis is based on their adult-like sexual characteristics — something real children do not possess. Understanding this, it becomes clear why the consumption of lolicon isn’t a reliable indicator of real-world behavior or intent.

It’s essential to recognize that our responses to media are complex and often driven by subconscious moral reasoning. Acknowledging the psychological mechanisms at play — the way we are drawn to adult sexual characteristics and our moral compass that dictates our conscious attitudes — is crucial in navigating this nuanced debate.

PS: Yeah, I used ChatGPT to summarize this whole idea for me, especially since, why not? :yum:

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The same can be said about child-like dolls. Everyone knows they’re not alive, just “things”. The dissonance sets in once people start imagining someone having sex with them. Suddenly, the doll becomes no different than as having sex with an actual child. But it’s all a trick of the mind, because to most people, that would be a terrible thing to do. Rape a child. They can’t say it’s consensual, since to them, children can’t consent. And dolls have no ability to consent. Or walk, or talk, or complain, or cry, or eat, add infinitum. They’re just things that we project part of our personality onto.
As for those of us that have them for emotional support or something pretty to play with (non-sexually), we’re labelled as creeps, weirdos, and potential child molesters. Since the connotation of pedophile has been used to mean just that! Hijacking the actual definition.

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I guess dolls could be seen in a similar way, yes. :thinking:

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| Pedophilia: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object

Straight to sexual objectification of a living being, which basically undercuts the entire context with a negative undertone. No room for a more flexible definition which includes inexplicable infatuation, love or romantic interest at all there, regardless of sexual context, because that would be too fair to include.

| a psychiatric disorder

I wonder if all sexual fantasies are to some degree considered to be a psychiatric disorder. I think this classification becomes negligible, or even irrelevant.

Also, feet: suddenly a sexual characteristic at teen ages. They are approximately the same shape, just larger. Regardless, it really does depend on the individual. Even non-sexual things can be sexual to some random individuals. For example, there is a documentary about sexual attraction to balloons. Replace “balloons” with anything.

Macro assessments and conclusions made thereby cannot be sufficient enough at conveying sound reasons for why, what, and how these are the way they are. There is endless depth to what a human may find appealing, with cartoons, toys, and dolls with human-like characteristics being no surprising exception, to me personally.

I’d say there is more weight on internalized sexual interest, than externalized adult sexual characteristics, that goes into the equation of whether or not something is sexually attractive to someone or something. However, both are certainly important components, each in a certain ratio unique to the individual.

The actual stepping stone to harmful behavior is poor mental health and life instability.

What one finds of interest can have less to do with how they conduct themselves.

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Why not just call them depictions of reptiles that reside on the imaginary planet Ong? No one is an authority on the appearance of reptiles on the imaginary planet Ong, so no one can prove that this is not the case. The language needs to be addressed.

Drawings are as fictional as dolls. Striking a doll with a hammer is considered innocuous. What it takes to view a cartoon or buy a doll is not the same as what it takes to assault someone. Purchasing a doll is not an attempt to assault someone; therefore, there is no intent. It’s not complicated.

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This is why I have always found this whole anti-lolicon trend trashy. People have no problem with children getting murdered but by the time they are put in like sexual beings y’all find it the worst thing in the world. It’s stupid and hypocrite. But regarding the post, yeah, I have also noticed that. Pedophilia is currently society’s most taboo topic. That makes people hate on everything with the slightly or even when there is none but the mere possibility of it having correlation to pedophilia. Lolicon is just one of these things. Do y’all remember the scandal people made regarding age play fetish saying that it normalizes pedophilic behavior? It’s for the same reason.

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People must all be frustrated with the way things are in society. They seem to want to rage at almost anything. How did we get the term “karen”? Because many times it’s women feeling they’re entitled in general. So entitled, that their opinion is the only one, shut up if you don’t agree, and if you persist they want to murder you. Extremism. Basically they’ve become bullies. What’s the name for men like that? Biff? greg?

This attitude has weaved itself into today’s society, but also long before as with the Salem Witch trials. Every normie man wants to pass judgement on things they don’t like and their answer for anything is always horrific death. Especially when they perceive it involves children. But when it’s older children affecting younger children, they seem to soften their view. Very harsh judgements imo. Based on beliefs and willful ignorance. Unwilling to try to have an understanding or even a discussion about topics. Always the gorilla in the room.

There’s no reasoning with someone so hell bent on flipping out and going into a rage-fit over their discomfort or not getting their own way. Hell, there’s hardly any reasonable discussion about any such things. People are like “grab your torches! We’re going on a lynching!”.

And they’re all exactly the same way when it comes to politics or even driving a vehicle. Feeling slighted in any way throws them into murderous rage. Disagree with them, it’s death for you! Basically most people are insane at this point. Our poison food and all the poisons in our environment has rotted everyone’s brain! Most of them rolly-polies that think they’re still in good shape and can “kick your ass”. Never more wrong.

They don’t spend time teaching their kids or doing anything with them. The education system has them indoctrinated as quick as they can. Electronic devices watch over them and keep them occupied. Religion gets their morality programmed early. Yet no one follows it’s doctrines. Everyone always makes excuses for their shitty behavior and attitudes. Breaking almost all of it’s tenants daily.

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This makes a lot of sense and also explains why it is so difficult to find loli-stuff that actually appeals to me. Most of it has a “teen”-feeling to it and that’s just not what I’m into. Child-like lolis are what I want.

Anyway, I long believed that the reason why pedophilia is such a emotional topic for most people, is because they feel some sexual attraction and are terrified by it. Just like the homophobes are actually attracted to men. They just can’t accept it.

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I also have always felt like lol is look more like skinny short teens and tweens than children if I’m being honest. They usually have chest (even if small) and have waist. Things that irl children don’t have. That’s why I believe not all lolicons are pedos, in fact as far as I can see visiting their forums the majority aren’t and aren’t even MAP friendly. I also see that many of them seen to be more right wing and many of them are MGTOWs, not that this has any relevance but it’s something I have noticed.

Nah, I don’t think so. If most people were into little kids there wouldn’t even be a word for it. I believe it’s more about the idea that pedophiles are a threat to their children. People unconsciously have the instinct to protect children and babies, because they are the natural peak of vulnerability in our species. Even if the person doesn’t want to have kids, they will always be terrified of the idea of someone fantasizing about hurting them. They see pedos as a natural threat to the well being of their children or a threat to their relatives who have children. So much that even many pedophiles feel shame or get disturbed after finding out. They fear that they will be the “monster” who will hurt their beloved children.

That’s also why they don’t hate on bad parents half as much as they hate on pedophiles. Bad parents are only hurting their children and they don’t really have high chances of hurting their relatives. A pedophile being sexually attracted to little kids can hurt both family related and non related children. That’s it, people are terrified that a beloved one will be hurt because of a pedophile. That’s also why they hate on people who consume CP even if fictional to the point of wishing they were dead. On their head if a pedo is dead that means they wouldn’t have to worry about their kids safety.

There were few times in which people find out or had an slightly suspicious of my attraction. In all of these people had a mix of disgust, angry, sadness and most importantly: Fear. They are scared that one day I will be theirs children’s babysisters, they fear that I will work on a daycare, they fear that I am going to be the one who will be alone with their kids on a room…They fear me. To the point of even wanting to beat me up or give me threats of beating me up. They give me the eye that they will beat me up or make “jokes” about killing me or observe my behavior to see if I am acting weird.

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Do what I do. Reply back harder. Make “jokes” about doing this to their families, if they even try: Nine familial exterminations - Wikipedia None of that “humans are a hard lot” Castlevania bullshit.

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Usually I don’t really care or give a damm so I usually don’t reply. They are just stupid anyway, lol. It’s not like they can do that to me, at least legally. And btw, what are u referring to as “Humans are hard a lot” Castlevania bullshit?

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That stupid quote from Castlevania: “Do not hate humans. If you cannot live with them, then at least do them no harm, for theirs is already a hard lot.” Basically, the last words of Dracula’s wife to discourage him from trying to avenge her. IMO, being a “hard lot” isn’t an excuse.

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I am more in favor of the idea that if you lack with empathy with a specific group, then you should expect people from that group to lack empathy with you. It’s that simple. Respect isn’t one sided. Pedophiles aren’t entitled to sympathy but they also aren’t obligated to respect or have sympathy with people who want to hurt them. Even if the person was harmed by a pedophile.

I will always support recovery for CSA victims, but if they act hateful towards me then I don’t see why I should be obligated to be respectful with them. Being traumatized and sick isn’t an excuse, I myself >am< sick and I wouldn’t say traumatized but I went through some stuff growing up.

Pedophiles should be able to defend themselves. Even if most people don’t like it. I live based on the idea that one day I will be on my 70’s and not give a damm anymore and if our earth become so unlivable to the point that I won’t ever be on my 70’s then it wouldn’t matter what I do or don’t do. So I do what I want as long as I don’t hurt anyone, even if that means I will be judge.

Just my two cents. :cat:

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Since almost everyone believes finding teenagers attractive equals pedophilia I still think my theory makes sense.

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Also never understood how do people believe that being attracted to a 17 year old is the same as being attracted to a 7 year old.

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It appears that loli and shota have been censored from Bluesky in a ban wave. Some purported to have been banned for simply liking a post containing the artwork.
Will the baby furs and ABDL crowd be next on the chopping block of pedophile hysteria? Stay tuned!

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I mean, did you expect otherwise from Bluesky?

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I don’t know what I expected from Bluesky, but in general it seems a more sex positive platform than X. When I quit X last month, there was still tons of loli, AI, and dolls posted on the platform. However I couldn’t remain on X with the non-blocking policy.

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That’s like saying that Twitch is “sex positive” because it allows OnlyFans Lite (and then it ban Vtubers). See. For us, we are a special case that “sex positive” doesn’t cover.

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I find it left leaning politics and more for :rainbow_flag:. They can keep it. I’m not interested.

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